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	<description>I love my life - scuba diving in Roatan, Honduras</description>
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		<title>By: Cowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.thescubageek.com/roatan/contingency-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well kids,I am a cowboy.And I&#039;m stuck in Colorado,and my dive gears in Atlanta. And all y&#039;all are down there in paradise. Talkin&#039; bout wreckless cowboys. At a hundred ten feet,no less. Damn. No such thing as a wreckless diver. Just a complacent one; cause nothing bad really ever happens,til ya take that first big drink. Take care of your island and each other. And leave all the bitchin&#039; to the mainlanders. Your in paradise,ferchrissakes. So am I;just a little too dry for my tastes. Hope to see ya down there b4 I die. Atta girl Leanna. Ya got good taste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well kids,I am a cowboy.And I&#8217;m stuck in Colorado,and my dive gears in Atlanta. And all y&#8217;all are down there in paradise. Talkin&#8217; bout wreckless cowboys. At a hundred ten feet,no less. Damn. No such thing as a wreckless diver. Just a complacent one; cause nothing bad really ever happens,til ya take that first big drink. Take care of your island and each other. And leave all the bitchin&#8217; to the mainlanders. Your in paradise,ferchrissakes. So am I;just a little too dry for my tastes. Hope to see ya down there b4 I die. Atta girl Leanna. Ya got good taste</p>
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		<title>By: Leanna</title>
		<link>http://www.thescubageek.com/roatan/contingency-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like cowboys!</description>
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		<title>By: thescubageek</title>
		<link>http://www.thescubageek.com/roatan/contingency-plans/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>thescubageek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like I touched a sensitive nerve with someone! 

So first, the facts: the viz WAS exceptional on that day-- over 40m/130ft, in fact-- so yes, I could clearly see the other divers below. We even have pictures  to prove it! Maybe the dive group did  have a sling tank, in which case, good, that&#039;s pretty responsible. But did they know their turn pressure? What was their contingency plan if they exceeded their bottom time? Did they even have a bottom time? Or were they just following the magic numbers on their computers?

 I was following a standard dive plan that I always do on Black Rock-- max depth 33m/110ft, swing out along the garden eels, pass wide around the bulge, swim out over the Josie J, and then ascend up to 15m/50ft for the next level. I didn&#039;t &quot;bring&quot; my group &quot;to&quot; the other divers; I just followed my standard profile and happened to come across a the scene on the Josie J. 

I don&#039;t fault divers for wanting to explore the Josie J, but I do fault them for irresponsible dive planning. The top of the Josie J (50m/165ft) is &lt;em&gt;barely&lt;/em&gt; do-able as a bounce dive without incurring massive deco (and it IS beyond the recreational dive limit). The bottom of the wreck (60m/210ft)-- where I saw the divers-- is outside the oxygen toxicity limits for air (1.6 ppO2), so it doesn&#039;t really matter IF you have a sling tank when the gasses in BOTH tanks are toxic at that depth. That&#039;s trimix  territory, period: anything else is cowboy diving.

If you would like to discuss the safety hazards of oxygen toxicity, mandatory decompression, gas emergencies at depth, extreme narcosis, or any of the other many things that can kill you-- and quickly!-- when doing wreckless deep diving, please come talk to myself or Monty at Coconut Tree Divers. We&#039;ll be more than happy to teach you how to mitigate these dangers through proper planning, training, and equipment. We&#039;ll even let you take a standard tec rig in the bay for a spin-- for free!

So yes, I will continue to stick my nose in &quot;other people&#039;s business&quot; when said business affects the professional scuba diving  reputation of West End. If someone dies here doing a stupid dive, the headlines won&#039;t read &quot;[insert name here] dies&quot;, it will read &quot;Roatan Dive Instructor Dies.&quot; Bad news for this whole community, and grossly selfish of the people participating in the dive for forcing the community to shoulder the burden of their irresponsibility.

Lastly, you will notice that I deliberately avoiding naming either dive shop or divers I saw on the Josie J. This is deliberate. I am not out to flame people, just to draw  attention to dangerous behaviors in the community. Your attacks, however, were personal-- not to mention wrong. It was Monty, not I, who blacked out during a breath holding competition; I rescued him from the pool. I had nothing to do with securing or distributing the nitrous oxide balloons at the old (thankfully closed) FUBAR. Essentially, we&#039;re looking at two counts of libel against you, and let me assure you that the Roatan Municipal frowns upon defamation of character charges.

But that&#039;s okay, I&#039;m not going to press. I figure that simply by allowing your comment to appear on my website I can provide my readers with a clear comparison between a professional dive instructor and a wreckless dive cowboy and let them choose with whom they would rather dive. Thank you for being the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like I touched a sensitive nerve with someone! </p>
<p>So first, the facts: the viz WAS exceptional on that day&#8211; over 40m/130ft, in fact&#8211; so yes, I could clearly see the other divers below. We even have pictures  to prove it! Maybe the dive group did  have a sling tank, in which case, good, that&#8217;s pretty responsible. But did they know their turn pressure? What was their contingency plan if they exceeded their bottom time? Did they even have a bottom time? Or were they just following the magic numbers on their computers?</p>
<p> I was following a standard dive plan that I always do on Black Rock&#8211; max depth 33m/110ft, swing out along the garden eels, pass wide around the bulge, swim out over the Josie J, and then ascend up to 15m/50ft for the next level. I didn&#8217;t &#8220;bring&#8221; my group &#8220;to&#8221; the other divers; I just followed my standard profile and happened to come across a the scene on the Josie J. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fault divers for wanting to explore the Josie J, but I do fault them for irresponsible dive planning. The top of the Josie J (50m/165ft) is <em>barely</em> do-able as a bounce dive without incurring massive deco (and it IS beyond the recreational dive limit). The bottom of the wreck (60m/210ft)&#8211; where I saw the divers&#8211; is outside the oxygen toxicity limits for air (1.6 ppO2), so it doesn&#8217;t really matter IF you have a sling tank when the gasses in BOTH tanks are toxic at that depth. That&#8217;s trimix  territory, period: anything else is cowboy diving.</p>
<p>If you would like to discuss the safety hazards of oxygen toxicity, mandatory decompression, gas emergencies at depth, extreme narcosis, or any of the other many things that can kill you&#8211; and quickly!&#8211; when doing wreckless deep diving, please come talk to myself or Monty at Coconut Tree Divers. We&#8217;ll be more than happy to teach you how to mitigate these dangers through proper planning, training, and equipment. We&#8217;ll even let you take a standard tec rig in the bay for a spin&#8211; for free!</p>
<p>So yes, I will continue to stick my nose in &#8220;other people&#8217;s business&#8221; when said business affects the professional scuba diving  reputation of West End. If someone dies here doing a stupid dive, the headlines won&#8217;t read &#8220;[insert name here] dies&#8221;, it will read &#8220;Roatan Dive Instructor Dies.&#8221; Bad news for this whole community, and grossly selfish of the people participating in the dive for forcing the community to shoulder the burden of their irresponsibility.</p>
<p>Lastly, you will notice that I deliberately avoiding naming either dive shop or divers I saw on the Josie J. This is deliberate. I am not out to flame people, just to draw  attention to dangerous behaviors in the community. Your attacks, however, were personal&#8211; not to mention wrong. It was Monty, not I, who blacked out during a breath holding competition; I rescued him from the pool. I had nothing to do with securing or distributing the nitrous oxide balloons at the old (thankfully closed) FUBAR. Essentially, we&#8217;re looking at two counts of libel against you, and let me assure you that the Roatan Municipal frowns upon defamation of character charges.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s okay, I&#8217;m not going to press. I figure that simply by allowing your comment to appear on my website I can provide my readers with a clear comparison between a professional dive instructor and a wreckless dive cowboy and let them choose with whom they would rather dive. Thank you for being the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scuba geek,
i think you spend far to much time poking your nose into busines that does not concern you!
what people do in there own time is there busines,especialy if they are experienced certified divers and how do you know that they only had a single tank, when the stage could of been strapped across the stomach, where from your depth you would not of seen it.
its people like you that cause the problems in the scuba comunnity!
in any case unless you have exceptional vis you cant see the jose j from 110ft so you are probably deeper than you should be with your customers! also if you were behind or above the other divers it means they were there first, so they were not doing anything infront of your group, you took your group to them!
all in all i think you sholud keep your mouth shut and even try holding your breath. you might just black out, in a pool even better, oops you allready did that right! or try poseing as medical staff and buying nitrogen oxide to sell to your fellow divers, who then proceed to breath this gas from latex ballons while hyperventalating, for the result of passing out and convulsing, oops you people allready did that too. so if you want to talk about being responsable, try it yourself on the land first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scuba geek,<br />
i think you spend far to much time poking your nose into busines that does not concern you!<br />
what people do in there own time is there busines,especialy if they are experienced certified divers and how do you know that they only had a single tank, when the stage could of been strapped across the stomach, where from your depth you would not of seen it.<br />
its people like you that cause the problems in the scuba comunnity!<br />
in any case unless you have exceptional vis you cant see the jose j from 110ft so you are probably deeper than you should be with your customers! also if you were behind or above the other divers it means they were there first, so they were not doing anything infront of your group, you took your group to them!<br />
all in all i think you sholud keep your mouth shut and even try holding your breath. you might just black out, in a pool even better, oops you allready did that right! or try poseing as medical staff and buying nitrogen oxide to sell to your fellow divers, who then proceed to breath this gas from latex ballons while hyperventalating, for the result of passing out and convulsing, oops you people allready did that too. so if you want to talk about being responsable, try it yourself on the land first.</p>
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